When Men Run From God

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My wife and I are both Christian,” the 70-year-old performer explains. “My father AliceCooperwas a pastor, my grandfather was an evangelist. I grew up in the church, went as far away as I could from it — almost died — and then came back to the church.” [ref: Legendary rocker Alice Cooper credits Jesus with curing him of alcoholism] We each have our demons, per se, those things which cause us to run away from God. Even though we tend to go that extra mile by telling ourselves that we are only running from the Church, the priests/pastors, or from the hypocrites within the Church. I myself was born into the Roman Catholic faith, but I always found it to be wrongfully preached or taught. When I was sixteen, I was in the pew listening to the priest say, emphatically I might add, “You are too ignorant and stupid to understand the bible. That is what we priests do, we learn the bible and teach you what you need to know.” While this was paraphrased, it was the crux of what this priest said, in essence, to the congregation. It was this particular straw that broke my camel’s back and sent me packing from the church, or from God. This was the driving force, in my opinion. I would truly say I left the Church because I did not accept what was stated, foolishly I might add.

Return-to-ChurchEventually, I ended up going back to Church, but it was a Pentecostal Church. Of course they had their doctrines which I disagreed with…after all, some of these doctrines that are taught in the Churches of a Denominational God tend to expound upon aspects of the Bible, which in essence, contradict the Bible, or God’s Word. After several other Return-to-Godconcerning issues, I left the Church, yet again. After a ten year hiatus, and much prayer, I returned. But unlike others I never actually left God. Though I had tested God, tried to disprove God, tried to explain away God…I still believed God. He tugs at your heart’s strings. Often times, you are saved from great dilemmas and problems which would essentially destroy you, and rightfully so – I might add. But God in His infinite & divine wisdom protects you in some of the strangest ways. Eventually, by God’s grace, you come around.

As discussed in a previous post we are the church, we the people, with Christ at it’s head. All the world IS God’s possession and can be used as a Church for God. What we do is return to God and return to His presence. It is our purpose to glorify Him in all we do…even if we do so through finding Him again and coming home to Him. Just as was spoken in the Parable of the Lost Sheep., or the Parable of the Lost Coin, or the Parable of the Lost Son.

I have, once I could identify it, always been of the mind of Jean Paul Sartre, who said (effectually):

“To name it is to kill it!”

Essentially meaning that if you define something through a naming process of some sort, you will in effect confine it. Yes, that does include God, as well as religion as a whole. When you name a religion that religion is then defined by it’s name through the associative process in your brain because you will associate all of the tenets of that particular religion to the name it bears, or it’s brand – if you will.

There are, as I recall, approximately 34,000 variations of Christianity throughout the world, today. Why? Because they each have a differing set of tenets to abide by. Drinking, no drinking, dancing, no dancing, snake handling (yeah! you heard me!), acknowledging holidays or not, etc. You change just one thing, one tenet in some manner or form…>>PRESTO!<< You now have a new religion.

Now I have gotten a little off the path of this post, BUT, you can focus on the remainder…This is why we as Christians that we MUST…ABSOLUTELY MUST…study the scriptures and read a lot! Because we will not learn all of this by osmosis. We must research and learn it all in order to have the answers for those who seek to know. We are a beacon of hope, in a manner of speaking. Those who are lost, they too are seeking. Either you and I will answer them…or someone else will misguide them. We have an obligation, according to the Great Commission to enlighten them and at very least steer them toward the truth that God has for them. In doing so, we fulfill the mandate in the Great Commandment.

There are those who are going through something similar to you in your youth, meaning they are running from God & the Church. And God has prepared you for just such an encounter by having you follow the path which you have followed over the course of your life. Man is never satisfied with what he has, because he always wants something more. Me in my youth I can truthfully say that I whored myself out to earn more money so I could obtain more. In so doing, I grew ever so slowly or quickly away from God by slowly divorcing Him out of my life. And though I obtained more, I was none the happier for it. But our God is strong enough and big enough to create something good, or help us to take away something good, from such an experience. And it is just such an experience that we need in order to help another who is going through such turmoil in their lives. We are able to show them God’s love and to let them know…”You are not alone in all of this!”

Jonah ran from God’s mandate and he was not happier for it, in fact he suffered for his brash actions until he fulfilled God’s command. In the Book of Hosea, Gomer ran from her husband back to prostituting herself for more until she was sent to the block to be sold. She was only to be bought back by her own husband, Hosea. This was the story of true love of God for His people and the showing of their ungratefulness.

The bible is full of the information we need, and I mentioned in a previous post as to Why we memorize scripture?…because of those AH-HAH! moments which we can learn quite a bit from.

I have written several posts concerning the subject of “Once Saved, Always Saved.” (Part 1, Part 2, & Revisited) I have always questioned such a thing; however, after much deliberation and much study on the matter I finally concluded that it is in fact the case. I have concluded that IF you do not believe in “Once Saved, Always Saved,” then you must hold the argument that YOU must do something over and above what God has already accomplished. I.e., the substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus as the pure and unblemished lamb for our mis-deeds. Such a fallacious belief to have and I do not say such lightly. It is fallacious because you must ask yourself one very pointed question:

What can I do that is greater than the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, My Lord and Savior? What can I do that is far more superior than His being crucified for ALL of my sins?

[Keep in mind, when Jesus hung on the cross…you were not born excepting only that God knew of you before you were in the womb!]

I have often though long and hard on the opening monologue of the movie, The Patriot, where the opening words were spoken:

I have long feared that my sins would return to visit me, and the cost is more than I can bear.” ~Benjamin Martin, opening monologue of ‘The Patriot’

It is not our sins that come to visit us and cause us turmoil, but rather our bad choices. Choose now to follow Jesus, by accepting Him as the Son of the Most High God and as your Savior, YOUR sins shall be forgiven. Turn from your life of tumultuous behavior and turn toward Jesus who will guide you to the heavenly.

Godspeed my friends! I hope this was helpful and informative for you!

May God Richly Bless You, My Beloved!

MK Murphy, PhD, DD

 

 

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Church & State on a Collision Course

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In the book of Revelation, Babylon is believed to be the capital of the New World Order. Which, of course, is deemed to be fallen due to the wrath of God being poured out.

Read bible pg 267 referring to the people who were martyred, killed and exiled because of their faith.

“Church, Inc.” by Charles Giuliani, a book showing how the church willingly gives up it’s rights as a church by becoming a fiction of the state. Eventually to be forced to submit to their rule. Of course that is speculation, at best; but if you look and see how many rights and liberties are striped away from the American people…you will start thinking otherwise!

The Church has been on a collision course with the governing authorities for centuries. Look back in history to Rome and Nero, who essentially set fire to Rome and blamed the Christian followers of the Way. Look into the last century where Hitler on his rise to power blamed the Jewish people for all the problems of the German people. Look at Joseph Stalin, shortly thereafter, where he had coined the phrase by Karl Marx:

The full quote from Karl Marx translates as: “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people“.

Which was, in general, his critique of G.F.W. Hegel’s “Philosophy of Right.” To a degree I can agree with his assessment, in that, religion is an “opium” of sort, karl-marx-hiphowever, it is much better, more real, and less expensive a habit. Why you ask? Because religion is a spiritual hope given to man, a hope of his eternal and everlasting future, which will last far beyond his meager and short lived life. Heroin is but a temporary fix, a veering of one’s attention to disrupt his thoughts for a time because he cannot handle the truth of reality. Why else would they be bringing in “cry closets” to  schools for those students who cannot handle finals and allows them to let it all out, if you will. REALLY?

So, who or what is the church?

The Christian church can be seen in two ways: the visible and the invisible. The visible church is comprised of all who claim the name of Christian and who gather together for worship and participation of the sacraments: the Lord’s Supper and Baptism. The members of the visible church claim the name of Christian (excluding the cults like the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc.). The visible church contains both believers and non-believers, that is, there are people in the visible church who are not really saved. ~What is the church? by Matt Slick

So, the church, itself, is not necessarily a brick and mortar building, but the people themselves. You can literally have a gathering outside or in someone’s home and it can be a church. The church I attend now is a multi-location church, but started in someone’s home back in the late 1970s or 1980s. This is how many churches began back in the beginning  of the Christian movement. Now, of course and after it left the homes of those who founded it, it was created into a fiction of the state or a corporate entity. As a corporate entity you are made into a fiction that was created at the behest of the state via a legal process. In so doing, while you create a fictional person with rights under the law, you also have requirements under the law as well.

We have obligations under the law as people, physical people. But “corporate ConspiracyTheoristpeople” are also obligated to follow the law, also. But when they are found to be amiss of the law, who is actually guilty? Who is actually found to be accountable?

It is my assertion, that these fictional entities, or corporate persons, will at some point in time be required to give up their congregants. For years this has been fought in court and a protected right of association. But one day, as with so many of our rights being striped from us, this will be but another theft by the state, or federal, government(s).

Let us look at what a “conspiracy theory/theorist” is?

con·spir·a·cy
noun
noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies
  • a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
  • the action of plotting or conspiring.
the·o·ry
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noun: theory; plural noun: theories
  • a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
  • a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based.
  • an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action.

the·o·rist

noun

noun: theorist; plural noun: theorists
  • a person concerned with the theoretical aspects of a subject; a theoretician.

A conspiracy theory, or theorist, by its definition and nature is a person with an alternative theory on a particular subject. It is not good or bad, in and of itself, it just is an alternative theory by someone. Yet, politically and religiously speaking by addressing or labeling someone as a “conspiracy theorist” is derogatory in nature. Sadly, this has been going on for decades. This was but one instance where the state and the church have shown a collision course with one another. The asylum which was given to others is where the church has show, at times, where they are on a collision course with the state. Not yielding their congregant lists to the state has also shown another collision course. The list continues on.

Consider the Book of Revelation

And another angel, a second one, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who has made all the nations drink of the wine of the passion of her immorality.” ~Revelation 14:8

And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird. ~Revelation 18:2

Where Babylon is both the head of the government and the head of the Church. We will, if we do not follow the way of Christ, fall under judgement of God. We will stand before the judgement seat of Christ. In either case, and on either side of the aisle, we will stand before the judgement seat and be judged!

I pray I did not blather on too much in this blog posting and hope it was helpful to you! Godspeed, my friends, my brothers and sisters in Christ!

May God Richly Bless You, My Beloved!

MK Murphy, PhD, DD

Why we memorize scripture?

We do it for the learning, furthering of our knowledge & understanding of the Bible and the words passed on to us by God through others who were inspired by the Holy Spirit of God.

You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up.~Deuteronomy 6:7 NASB

You shall teach them to your sons, talking of them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road and when you lie down and when you rise up.~Deuteronomy 11:19 NASB

Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.~Proverbs 22:6 NASB

He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me. ~ Matthew 18:1-5 NASB

People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” And he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on them and blessed them. ~ Mark 10:13-16 NASB

But there are other reasons for memorizing the scriptures before us. By memorizing them they become a part of us, something we will think on and use to guide us in our daily lives; spiritually, morally & ethically. And of course for those ever present “ahh-hah” moments in our lives. You know where those things you had memorized years ago, or memories from days long gone by and we wake up with an epiphany of ideological wonder, where we see the reason for such and such to have happened, but we could not see it at that moment.

Here are ten biblical reasons to memorize Scripture:

  1. Jesus memorized Scripture. (He quoted twenty-four books of the Old Testament almost 180 times in the New Testament.)
  2. We are called to memorize Scripture. (Colossians 3:16, Deuteronomy 6:4-9)
  3. Memorizing Scripture renews our mind and transforms our life. (Romans 12:2)
  4. Memorizing Scripture helps against temptation. (Matthew 4:1-11, Psalm 119:11)
  5. Memorizing Scripture helps us live in obedience. (Psalm 119:9)
  6. Memorizing Scripture will bring God’s blessing to our lives.(Joshua 1:8, Psalm 1)
  7. Memorizing Scripture allows us to more readily encourage believers. (Romans 15:4, 1 Thessalonians 4:18)
  8. Memorizing Scripture allows us to share with unbelievers better. (Isaiah 55:11; Hebrews 4:12; Jeremiah 23:29, 1 Peter 3:15)
  9. Memorizing Scripture gives us a better understanding of God and his will. (John 8:31-32, 14:21, Romans 12:2)
  10. Memorizing Scripture makes us wise. (Luke 2:52)

    ~Ten Biblical Reasons to Memorize Scripture

Chuck Swindoll wrote, “I know of no other single practice in the Christian life more rewarding, practically speaking, than memorizing Scripture. . . . No other single exercise pays greater spiritual dividends! (Why Memorize Scripture? by John Piper, 09/05/2006)

I, myself, still have a lot of transforming to do and many, many changes to go through…and I still won’t become perfect before I draw my final breath. Unfortunately, that is just not in our nature as human beings nor is it the end accomplishment of the nature of man. Once we fell from God’s perfect world…we fell hard. We can only rely on God’s grace & loving nature to save us and make us better. There are things we can do to act and be better than we presently are, and hopefully better than our nature conforms us to be, but we can never do anything that will save us from the pit of hell…excepting but one thing!

if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved~Romans 10:5-13 NASB

Of course, we each have our own reasons for memorizing scripture and the end result of such and action.

If you have ever tried to memorize a speech or a part for a play, then you know that it is hard work to learn something so that you can repeat it word for word. Further, if you do not review it regularly, a couple of weeks after you have memorized it, you have forgotten it. Memorizing passages from the Bible is no different. It is hard work, and could take a huge portion of your time. However, if we look into the Bible to see what it teaches, then we will see that this hard work is not only worth the effort, but it is essential and it is expected of us. ~Why Memorize Scripture? by Stephen Simpson

John Calvin, in his Commentary on II Timothy 3:16 says:

“Whoever then would profit by the Holy Scriptures, let him first decide this within himself, that the Law and the Prophets are not a doctrine which has been given according to the desire or will of men, but dictated by the Holy Spirit”

We have purpose in reading the Bible, studying the Bible, reading about the different characters within the Bible and about their lives (how they lived and died), and memorization of scripture. We each do it in a different way and we each use a different version of the Bible, from which we read, study, and memorize. Personally, the version that is more comfortable to you is the best one to use. There are those who are KJV Only-ites, there are those who are stuck on the NIV, NASB, NKJV, Living, etc. There are as many as 50 different translations of the original Bible. Some at one end of the spectrum are best word for word translations and on the other end of the spectrum are idea for idea translations. Each one suited to specific people. Some people are better off with the word for word translations and others think differently and are thus better suited for the idea for idea translations. The best version of the bible is the one you are willing to use, provided it is not the “Book of Yesus”!

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Look on the scale and see what there is available to you. Once you get hooked, you will probably have several versions for study and reading purposes!

May God Richly Bless You, My Beloved!

MK Murphy, PhD, DD

 

Once Saved, Always Saved ~REVISITED

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Some of you are probably wondering, will he ever just move on? What is up with this topic? This, quite honestly, is a hot topic for many, not just myself. And as like so many, I want everyone to have as much knowledge and understanding at their fingertips in order to make a truly wise, understandable, knowledgeable, and prayerful decision as to what they truly believe about the subject matter at hand! In the past (August & September of 2015) I wrote a two part blog posting on this very subject (Once Saved, Always Saved? & Once Saved, Always Saved? ~Part 2). The blog postings were cursory and were unassumingly ambiguous, in that, I still was not certain at that time about the subject. However, I desired to get as much of the information out to you so that you could decide for yourselves, despite the fact that I was not 100% sure in either case. Many have the belief that once saved & always saved is a fallacy and a license to sin, because if one cannot lose their salvation then they can do anything without regard to consequences. Remember Father Zosima’s quote, from Dostoevsky’sBrothers Karamazov“, “If there is no God then all things are permissible.”

This is not what the bible teaches. And if you can lose your salvation then you aren’t truly saved, hmmmmmmm…also, this is not taught within the biblical text. So, this, I hope, is the last of this question and my input on this subject, as I am (as you can see) grasping information from numerous sources. But no promises on this being the last word on this topic of discussion. Also, it is not like I do not have other topics to discuss, as I have in my drafts anywhere up to 40-50+ topics. But as with anything else, your mind is constantly thinking on what NEEDS to be heard and understood by those who follow your blog(s). I hope I keep everyone busy and tantalized by the topics that are posted.

My greatest problem, that which holds me back from this teaching, is the fact that I believe that somehow we (mankind) can subvert our salvation through our God given right to choose (good or bad, right or wrong, righteous or evil, etc.) I understand that the grace of God is how we receive our salvation which is a gift from God. I also understand that many rely on this scripture:

All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. ~John 6:37-38 NASB

My problem with this is that God, Jesus, says, “…the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out…” which leads me to believe that though Jesus will not cast a person out, but if he can chose to be saved by calling on God, can he not also choose to walk away from such a glorious gift, as well? Consider the story of George Wilson, the man who refused a presidential pardon. This is my dilemma, which I hope to solve by the end of this particular blog posting. Therefore, my friends, this will probably be my longest post, or several blog posts, only time and research will tell. Sorry!

So, what is the Doctrine of Free Will? According to Matt Slick of CARM.org he has defined as such:

Free will is the ability to make choices without external coercion.  There are debates as to what extent this free will is to be understood as it relates to people.  There are two main views:  compatibilism and libertarianism…The compatibilist view is the position that a person’s freedom is restricted by his nature as is described in Scripture and that his free will is consistent with God’s foreordination…Libertarian free will says that the person’s will is not restricted by his sinful nature and that he is still able to choose or accept God freely…[see more of this refer to What is free will? ]

Free will and the Christian religion

The problem of free will assumed quite a new character with the advent of the Christian religion. The doctrine that God has created man, has commanded him to obey the moral law, and has promised to reward or punish him for observance or violation of this law, made the reality of moral liberty an issue of transcendent importance. Unless man is really free, he cannot be justly held responsible for his actions, any more than for the date of his birth or the colour of his eyes. All alike are inexorably predetermined for him. Again, the difficulty of the question was augmented still further by the Christian dogma of the fall of man and his redemption by grace. St. Paul, especially in his Epistle to the Romans, is the great source of the Catholic theology of grace. ~Catholic Encyclopedia

This might be a good segue to ask what was the point of the law? What was the purpose of the law? Remember what the Apostle Paul told us, in Romans 7:

…I would not have come to know sin except through the Law… ~Romans 7:7 NASB

So, the law was a means of accomplishing your salvation, that linked with the blood sacrifice of animals could land you into heaven. Of course, you would have to adhere to all of the 613 laws on the books and properly and morally give your blood sacrifices throughout your life. And Jesus taught us that He was “…the way the truth and the light…” by which we could “…come to the Father” and it was only through He that we could do so. Toward the end of Jesus’ ministry He, during the Lord’s supper, stated (according to the Apostle Matthew):

And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.” ~Matthew 26:26-29 NKJV

We are reminded of the “My blood of the new covenant”, which was a foretelling of His own trial and tribulation that the Christ had to endure in order to become the final sacrifice…for us all…once and for all! Yes…do you you get it now? He died for you and me, for all of us and for all those not yet born. Now, with the “New Covenant” through the blood of Jesus we are no longer held accountable to the law. Now we are to live as Jesus lived; Jesus being our premier example of how to live.

So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit. ~John 19:30 NKJV

When Jesus said, “It is finished!” He meant that His task was completed for all mankind; i.e., He was that final sacrifice. Upon that moment Jesus gave up His Spirit and His blood was spilled on our behalf, as our final sacrifice. We were freed from the law…although, keep in mind the law is what we use to determine if we are sinning in any particular area of our lives. Of course, this is a no braniner since,  “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…” (for better context refer to Romans 3:21-26 NASB.) This is why we are saved by grace through faith [in the blood of Jesus…the lamb which was slaughtered on our behalf.] Further consider what the Apostle Paul had written:

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. ~Ephesians 2:1-10 NASB 

CrucifixionJesus suffered for each and every one of us and He was held accountable for each and every one of our sins. Those nails, the crown of thorns, the cross upon which He bore our sins…it is in our place that he was condemned, it was for our sins He died.This was prophesied by Isaiah, one of the major prophets:

He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. ~Isaiah 53:3 NASB

He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth. ~Isaiah 53:7 NASB

We all think, at some points in time, that we are good people. But what exactly Maniacsdo we use as a basis for our arrogant statement? Why? Because we didn’t kill anyone? Because we aren’t Hitler? Stalin? Mao Tse Tung? Pol Pot? THAT is a bit relativistic, don’t you think? The list could literally go one for quite some time, but for brevity I will leave it there. But, yes, Jesus died for each of them. Yet, they did not accept Jesus…they rejected Him and therefore, Jesus also rejected them. Remember what Jesus taught?

“Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven. “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it. ~Matthew 10:32-39 NASB 

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Now, from a moral standpoint we are not given a license to sin. Because as children of God we are to strive to be better than what we once were. Unfortunately, I know people who take this literally as a license to sin. And if they do sin, there is no admission of such a thing, because it wasn’t them but the evil one who sinned within them…hmmmmmmmm.

So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.~Romans 7:17-20 NASB

This is but one, there may be others because the Apostle Paul generally refers to other things he has written about. However, people take this out of context for their benefit in order to sin and continue to keep on sinning. We are meant to understand that we do wrong because of the sinful nature within us. That being said, we are to use Jesus as our Godly example of how we are to live out our lives. But because that is way too hard to do…we should just let our bodies do what they will do, because our souls are saved. That is ungodly thinking and antithetical to the teachings of the bible. Look at the Apostle Paul who killed Christians his brothers & sisters. You can see in his writings that he is tormented due to the memory of what he once was and what he did, but he knew and held on to the hope that Jesus forgave him and he made great strides to do God’s work and fulfill the purpose for which he was created. Let’s look at King David who was a warrior, an adulterer, he lusted, and he killed in order to hide the truth, but God was there and saw it all. Consider, for a moment, that if we were to live as though we have a license to sin then why didn’t the Apostle Paul continue to torment and torture Christians? If what happens while in our flesh truly didn’t matter, then Paul had a license to continue to do what he was doing. And the same could be said of King David. But they each knew they were wrong due to the sin that was within them and they struggled to be better. If God could save David and Saul (Paul), then that gives us great hope…because God wants to save each and every one of us. He desires all of mankind to be saved and to enter into the heavenly realm.

I love the Matt Slick explained his point of view on this, in his article THE ASSURANCE OF SALVATION:

…Let’s say that we are on a 20 foot boat out in the ocean. We are sailing along when we notice two men in the water. There is no other boat around, so it is obvious these two men are in trouble. We take a life preserver, tie it to a rope, and throw it to them. It lands just a few feet short. We start yelling and yelling for them to grab the life preserver so we can pull them in. “Come on,” we yell. “Grab it! Grab it!” One of the men, exhausted, reaches out his arm for the life preserver but falls short. “Grab it!” we yell again. He reaches again and his arm plops down in the water from fatigue. The waves slap his face, but he tries again. The other man is simply floating face down in the water. He isn’t struggling at all. But, the first man is trying for that life preserver. He is fighting against the ocean, the wind, and the waves, all which are greater than he is. That is when I ask the person, “Which one of the two men in the water is alive?” Always, the response is, “The one reaching for the life preserver.” “Right,” I say. “He is struggling for life. Dead people don’t struggle for life…. and spiritually dead people do not struggle against their sin. Only those who are dead, who have no life in them, do not struggle. The fact that you are struggling against your sin is one very good sign that you are very much alive in Christ. If you were not struggling at all, then it might be true that you weren’t saved. But, since you war against your sins, then it sure sounds like you’re saved to me.” Usually, the eyes brighten at this point. I then keep going…

Well, I think I truly kept my word, this is the longest post I have written…<<whew!>>

Here after the teaching of the Beatitudes while still speaking to the multitudes during the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus promised and forewarned us:

“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. ~Matthew 5:17-20 NASB

All in all, I believe the final belief that can be derived from this post is that we are saved eternally from the aspect that Jesus was that final sacrificial lamb to die for all of our sins. Those who have not yet been born and those who have died. We are told that we will answer for our sins, but unless we lived a life antithetical to God’s word without ever seeking God’s forgiveness, we are saved. Though we sin, we will still answer for them but we are heaven-bound.

Do not forget about the thief on the cross…REMEMBER HIM?

One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” ~Luke 23:39-43 NASB

You can be on your deathbed, and if you are truly seeking God’s forgiveness, He will give it. You might consider reading the minor prophet’s Book of Jonah. If God was willing to forgive the Ninevites, how much happier do you think God would be that YOU seek His salvation and forgiveness?

First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.~ 1 Timothy 2:1-4 NASB

So now is the time for you to seek God out, pray to Jesus. Find a bible believing church in your area and start associating with the like minded. Search out a bible that you can read and that is good for your soul. I read the NIV, NASB, NKJV, and the KJV. Most of my references are NASB & NKJV. To help you look here:

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Also, one of my other blogs I posted What is the Best Bible to Read? Which has numerous references and articles for you to glean through in order to make your decision.

May the Love of God Shine upon each and everyone of you in your life’s journey toward salvation! I pray for each and every one of you that you find your way, if lost; those of you who are already saved…I pray for you to see and understand God’s will and purpose for you in your lives.

Until next we meet, dear brothers and sisters!

MK Murphy, PhD, DD

REFERENCES:

The Bible (BibleGateway NKJV & NASB)

The Assurance of Salvation by Matt Slick (CARM.org)

1 John 5:16-17, The sin leading to death

What is once saved always saved? by Matt Slick

What is the Eternal Security of the Believer? by Matt Slick

What is the difference between eternal security, once saved always saved, and perseverance of the saints? by Matt Slick

If eternal security is true, why did the Holy Spirit depart from Saul? by Luke Wayne

Can the Christian believer lose his salvation? by Matt Slick

What is free will? by Matt Slick

Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine by Wayne Grudem

A Question On Assumption & Belief

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People tend to question the motives of Christians who assume certain things they believe as factual and true, even though the person who challenges or questions, has no actual basis for an argument as he has done no historical research. On the other hand, Darwinists or Evolutionists argue for the Big Bang theory and stand by scientific findings on the age of this world, which according to scientists is 4.5 Billion years old (approximately.) Of course, this is based upon Carbon-14 dating methods.

While I am no expert on genetics, or any other science for that matter, that is why I (as do others) do our research and rely (have faith in) on and in the work that has been done by those who work in such fields of specialty. Science relies, in certain instances, on assumptions of information they do not have. Carbon dating methods rest on the assumption that carbon deteriorates at the same rate over the course of time, even at the millions of years, or billions of years. My limited understanding of the Carbon Dating method is to compare the two variant Carbon molecules. (C14/C12 notated as a ratio.)

Carbon-14, (14C or C14) or radiocarbon, is a radioactive isotope of carbon with an atomic nucleus containing 6 protons and 8 neutrons. Its presence in organic materials is the basis of the radiocarbon dating method pioneered by Willard Libby and colleagues (1949) to date archaeological, geological and hydrogeological samples.

Carbon12, (12C or C12) is of particular importance in its use as the standard from which atomic masses of all nuclides are measured: its mass number is 12 by definition and contains 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons.

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Robert Whitelaw has done a very good job illustrating this theory using about 30,000 dates published in Radio Carbon over the last 40 years. One of the impressive points Whitewall makes is the conspicuous absence of dates between 4,500 and 5,000 years ago illustrating a great catastrophe killing off plant and animal life world wide (the flood of Noah)!

Anthropologists, archaeologists, among others rely on other information in order to calculate the age of a demised animal, dinosaur, etc. Hence, genetics are used in certain instances. According to Roma Panganiban, The short answer to the question “how long does DNA last?” is complicated, and determined by a number of unpredictable factors such as weather and the organism’s final resting place.

We, as people or as students, are expected to accept (lock, stock, & barrel) the information given us by our superiors (teachers and others in academia) and we are to have blind faith on what is presented to us. And in many instances, if you should raise questions or challenge such things presented to you, or perhaps in research/term papers you take an opposing view, there is the potential for academic suicide (which is an intended future blog post.) If you value your grades you will acquiesce and play the game, but if you value your position (as being a point of principle) you will stand your ground all the while you see your academic career plummet. Or, if you listen to Ben Shapiro, you will not commit academic suicide and you will play the game so that you may survive to fight another day.

Case in point, while attending the university for my second Bachelors degree, I had to take a course (politically based upon history & citizenship), I took a Libertarian/Constitutionalist position within this paper which was, in fact, opinion based. I received a mid-level grade of C (78%). On an opinion based paper…how do you get a C??? How does your “Blue Dog Democrat” Professor give you a 78%??? Coincidence or conspiracy…you decide. But things such as this happen far more often in more liberal parts of this country’s educational buildings than here in the Midwest. That was the only time I had such a thing happen to me.

Can we trust science and scientists? Yes, we can; provided that they let the evidence take them on the journey and lead them to the answers. Not allowing their preconceived notion or agenda take them on the ride of their life and make the details fit the facts.

Darwin’s famous research on evolution was but a theory based upon speculation with the high hopes that future scientists would find the missing evidences. While it is a proven fact that germs, bacterium, and the like can and will mutate. Not one scientist can show an observable instance where the Darwinian Evolutionary process has occurred where something morphed from one kind or species to another. Most of such scientists will refer to the mutations and changes of on bacterium to another, but that is the case isn’t it? Bacterium changing to bacterium is not a change in kind or species…it remains a bacterium.

The Darwinianists cannot find the, so-called, missing link. That jump from one species of humanoid-like to human being. They keep saying it is there…but never quite get to the proof. Almost like the “Global Warming,” or the “Climate Change” believers. Sorry, the science doesn’t bear it out, they’re called seasons of changing weather patterns. The old adage, “Liars can figure, and figures can lie” is quite appropriate. People will use all they have at their fingertips in order to prove what they want you to believe. And even the NAZIs believed that if you tell a lie big enough and long enough that the people will eventually believe it.

The fact remains, if God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and ever-present – could He make the earth as old or as young as He desires? Could God use different things, such as mans intelligence, strength, etc. to confound his own beliefs?

But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise ~1 Corinthians 1:27 NKJV

I hope I did not confuse you any more than possible. Do I think it is a big deal to argue over how old the earth is? No, not at all. In fact, we are mandated not to argue in the book of Timothy, “avoid foolish and ignorant disputes…” (2 Timothy 2:23 NKJV) Quite honestly, the arguments and disputes that come from such arguments are not helpful to your purpose as a disciple of Jesus. Our job is to present the information and let the Holy Spirit and God and Jesus do their thing! The glory is all His…none falls to me or you. We are just assistants or tools to accomplish certain things in this scenario. Godspeed, my friends!

May God Richly Bless You, My Beloved!

MK Murphy, PhD, DD

 

 

References:

How does the radiocarbon dating method work?

Is radiocarbon dating based on assumptions?

Is Carbon Dating Reliable? by Helen Fryman

Desperation Leads To Deliverance

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In Mark 5 we learn of several people: the man from the tombs who is possessed, Jairus and his dying daughter, and the woman with the bleeding disorder. Jesus, throughout His life made a great many “Bold Statements” to the people He taught, instructed, healed, befriended, etc. While the title of this post is not a bold statement which Jesus made…it is, however, a bold statement made due to plain observation of His many encounters with those who were desperate.

Each of these people had desperate problems, desperate needs, and (most had) faith in Jesus to heal.

Everyone had the notion in their heads, at one point in time, who is this Jesus? Who is He that He can heal? Only God can heal, only the healers and men of God can heal…who is this Jesus?

Gods handJesus, the Son of God, who has authority over sicknesses, ailments, death, hunger, the disposition & health of one’s soul, etc. YEAH, that Jesus. It is hard to believe that when one makes their way through the biblical accounts of Jesus, His travels, His trials & turmoil, His teachings & sermons, His healing of the sick and disenfranchised…hard to believe that anyone could ask such a thing. Considering the fact that even after His crucifixion & death, in the area of Jerusalem that His teachings were continued by His Apostles and followers. Jesus1If that which was taught about or by Him was wrong why was there no outcry against it? If He were not crucified to death, buried, and rose again…why then did not those who said, “this did not happen!” Why did they not produce His body? There were many assertions and theories on this, but then they go beyond the scope of this blog post. However, it should be in the back of one’s mind when listening or reading of the great things accomplished by Jesus and His followers.

Getting back on track…

First, we encounter the possessed man from the tombs. He who was possessed by Legion. Jesus commanded Legion, Come out of the man, unclean spirit! (verse 8) And, of course, Legion asked to be cast into the herd of pigs. And Jesus allowed it; then the pigs were sent running off the cliff. Now, you or I…today, would see this as a travesty that so much bacon would be wasted. But, as it was brought to my attention, that this was a great economic problem for the owners of the pigs. Why? You might ask…because the pigs were used in many of the pagan rituals and therefore, Jesus just deprived them of great money making possibilities.

And of course, the man who was possessed desperately desired to go and follow Jesus in verses 18-20. Why? because he had firsthand knowledge and experience of such power and healing that Jesus could perform [my interpretation and understanding]. The gratefulness and the gratitude that he had toward Jesus…could have been second to none! But each of us has a voice to be heard by certain people, apparently the recently healed man of possession needed to have his voice heard by his people…God’s will be done!

Second, we come in contact with one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus whose daughter was dying. Now this is something. a ruler of the synagogue sought out Jesus to heal? But when it comes to one who is near and dear to us, we will not concern ourselves with such a matter, despite what our fellow synagogue leaders think of such a man as Jesus. But family is family…to many, family is everything. Jairus even showed such courage and faith by saying, My little daughter lies at the point of death. Come and lay Your hands on her, that she may be healed, and she will live.(verse 23)

While on the way to heal Jairus’ daughter we come in contact with the third person of faith and desperation, the woman with the flow of blood issue.She who used up all her money to be healed. She could neither work nor be around people because she was labeled, “unclean.” So, by the mere touching of the hem of His clothes, she truly had faith that she would be healed…now that is faith, a truly strong faith! But such would not go unnoticed with Jesus.

As with the woman, do we not (in our youth) fail to ask for permission and find it more useful to wait (if caught) to seek forgiveness? But she knew that she was wrong in what she did, as she was “fearing and trembling, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell down before Him and told Him the whole truth.” And once again, God was glorified! And Jesus responded, Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace, and be healed of your affliction.

So, now back to the second person he ran into…Jairus. His faith was what was to heal his daughter. Those who came from the synagogue ruler’s house said, Your daughter is dead. Why trouble the Teacher any further?” This raises a question, or two, but those go beyond the scope of this post. One that comes to mind is: If this synagogue ruler was such a man of faith, why didn’t his whole household know of Jesus? Perhaps, I would speculate, that he didn’t want to be unfaithful to his brethren of the synagogue and Jesus was the last person he thought of in this time of trouble. As many of use might do. 

But Jesus in classic form said, Do not be afraid; only believe.” Which was assurance to His caller, the synagogue ruler, and perhaps his entire family. Then Jesus followed on with this, Why make this commotion and weep? The child is not dead, but sleeping. To which many around just laughed and ridiculed Jesus, considering such a thing just idiocy. After all, this crowd of people, many of which I speculate had seen the body of the girl and suspected or knew the girl to, in fact, be dead. But are we not called to believe despite what we have seen, or believe without seeing?

If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” ~John 10:37-38 NKJV 

 Jesus said to him, “Thomas,[a] because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” ~John 20:29 NKJV

…God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed… ~Romans 4:16-21 NKJV

Face it, we are all raised to be skeptical of those things we do not see. We are also taught that if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn’t. Sadly, we live in a skeptical world and this is one of the things we must overcome as we grow older and seek out God in our own way. There are a great number of things that preclude the possibility of knowing God, as we are taught to believe in the theory of evolution and other very smart and educated people who do not count God as a potential, or possible, First Cause for our existence. While some, and yes even some Christian sects discount the classic First Cause argument. But, let us return to our original posting…

Then He took the child by the hand, and said to her, “Talitha, cumi,” which is translated, “Little girl, I say to you, arise.” This had to be a grand spectacle for all to see! Immediately the girl arose and walked which, of course was not told to us until the writing of this Gospel.

These three instances spoke volumes to us all, that Desperation Leads To Deliverance. While my message is slightly different from the sermon presented by my Pastor (Scott Beckenhauer) the essence of it remains the same. We each follow a path in our lives, good and bad, but eventually we begin to ask the bigger questions which eventually lead us to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

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Desperation can lead us down a very dark and bleak road in our lives, or we can see a glimmer of light and hope at the end of the tunnel which takes us on the trail that leads to hope, faith, love and charity. God awaits all of us to arrive at the finish line, but not all will get there. We are all invited, but not all will accept His generous offer of Grace.

What about you? What is your heart seeking? Where do you desire to go?

Got God? Got Jesus? Got Holy Spirit?

Until next we meet, dear brothers and sisters!

MK Murphy, PhD, DD

The Quandary of the Trinity: Truth or Heresy?

An all important understanding to the Trinitarian Doctrine is this and is summarized in the biblical teachings:

  1. God is three persons.
  2. Each person is fully God.
  3. There is one God.

Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are those three separate and distinct persons of God. Yet, contrary to the beliefs of many, they are still one God…Not a polytheistic belief. Each is separate and each if fully God and they are ONE GOD. The inferences run throughout the Old and New Testaments, but is through our reason and logic that we have come to the final conclusion that these statements hone our understanding of God and the Doctrine of the Trinity. Hone our understanding, not confound it!

birth-to-deathFirst of all, let us understand something first, we are finite beings, we the species of man are finite creatures that were created. We are born well after the beginning of creation itself. We are born after the arrival of the sun, the earth, the moon, or even the proverbial big bang. We are born, we live, we work, we retire or are placed into an old folks home, and eventually we do meet our demise. The reason this must be understood by us is because we are forced to learn what has happened up until the time we live. Which means we must speculate, deduce, infer, and induct with our logic and reasoning. I other words, we do not know it all…we must learn from others. We must ascertain who is telling and teaching us the truth and discern who is teaching us falsehoods and other fallacious knowledge. You may not believe any of my blog postings, but are you willing to look into my assertions and claims? Are you willing to prove or disprove any of the reasoning or logic that I use to back up my claims? If you want to be true to yourself, if you desire to be an ethical researcher, you must be willing to use logic and reason, as well as, be willing to dig deep into what is presented to you and either pick it apart or be willing to prove each point to the truth of the matter. What are YOU willing to do?

Now, lets move into this topic of the Trinity.

1. God is Three Personstrinity

The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit…these are the three persons of God. Three separate and distinct persons; meaning that the Father is not the Son, nor is He the Holy Spirit. Nor is the Son the Father, nor is He the Holy Spirit. Each is separate from one another. And the Holy Spirit is not the Father, nor is He the Son.

To touch on this topic is quite difficult, in that, it is a mystery that may never truly be understood by any of us. After all, we are finite in nature and God is infinite in nature.

The Son showed submission to the will of the Father by being hung on a cross for the sins of mankind. That He (Jesus) would be the final sacrifice for all the sins of men. An offered gift to mankind, all he must do is accept such a gift. Jesus, our intercessor between God, the Father, and man. A priest in the order of Melchizedek. The separation of the distinct persons of God rely on the words of Jesus, such as:

Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. ~John 16:7 NKJV

If Jesus did not die on the cross for us, the Holy Spirit (Helper) could not come and the day of Pentecost would never have occurred. Also, Jesus as the Son of the Most High, was seen to have a limitation (of sort); however, you must keep in mind that He was human (both man and God) and God the Father was able to limit Jesus’ ability(ies).

Many question as to whether the Holy Spirit is a separate person of God or just the “power” of God the Father. Although, the scripture is quite telling in this matter, in that, the Holy Spirit is in a relationship with the Father and with the Son (Matt 28; 1Cor 12; 2Cor 13; Eph 4; 1Pet 1.) The Holy Spirit is referred to as the Helper, Counselor, & Comforter. This is how God speaks to us and guides us…through the holy Spirit of God. Just as in Exodus 31:3 where the Spirit of God filled Bezalel in many ways. God helps and aids us in workmanship, wisdom, understanding and in knowledge.

2. Each Person Is Fully God

It is further testified to the fact that not only are each of the three (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) separate and distinct from one another, each person is fully and wholly God.

God the Father is clearly God. This is evident in the Book of Genesis where God created the heaven and the earth. The evidence is furthered through both the Old and New Testaments.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit was at the beginning before there was time. Before there was substance. Before anything was created. God was and hence, I AM was present.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.~John 1:1-4 NKJV

Here, John refers to Jesus as the Word. And John, further, states that the Word was with God and was God. Now, where the bible, both Old and New Testaments, speaks of “In the beginning…” one can infer that it is in the “beginning” of our time (creation of heaven and earth), not necessarily the beginning prior to the existence of time.

Many other passages throughout the scriptures that indicate that Jesus is fully God include Hebrews 1, Psalm 102, Titus 2, 2Peter 1, Isaiah 9 and Romans 9 just to pick a few.

And the Holy Spirit is fully God. We can assume and deduce from the scriptures that the Holy Spirit is fully and wholly God by virtue of what the Apostle Matthew stated in verses 28:19-20, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” Yielding to the Holy Spirit person-hood, separate, wholly and fully.

We are also reminded by the writer of the Book of Acts (5:3-4) where Peter asked Ananias,

“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

Again, person-hood status yielded to the Holy Spirit, and rightly so. The proofs and inferences are multitudinous throughout the scriptures showing person-hood for each individually and, yet, wholly and fully God in their own right. And also, one can logically and reasonably infer that they are one God, NOT a polytheistic creation. Am I saying it is unreasonable to infer that these are polytheistic entities…perhaps, as a young and naive Christian. But as you grow and learn more about the One God who created us, it would beg the question and eventually would demand your attention to seek that answer.

3. There Is One God

The scriptures are pretty clear that God is one and there is one God. The 3 separate and distinct persons of the Trinity are one in purpose, in agreement, in essence, and in nature. Simply put, God is only one being. There are not three Gods, but only ONE.

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. ~Deuteronomy 6:4-5 NKJV

The New Testament reaffirms that there is only ONE GOD. After all, the New Testament teachings are based upon the teaching of the Old Testament. They are, in fact, clarified teachings of Jesus, the Son of God.

Common everyday items used to explain the Trinity:

  1. A chicken egg consists of a shell, a yolk, and an egg white, yet it is altogether one egg. The three parts create a unified whole. The shortfall of this illustration, and others like it, is that God cannot be divided into “parts.” The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are one in essence, but the same cannot be said for the shell, yolk, and white of an egg.
  2. A similar illustration uses the apple: the fruit’s skin, flesh, and seeds all comprise the apple, just as the Father, Son, and Spirit all comprise God. This illustration has the same weakness as the egg illustration, namely, the parts of the apple, considered independently, are not the apple. By contrast, each Person of the Trinity, taken independently, is still God.
  3. Another illustration is said to have originated with St. Patrick. As Patrick was evangelizing the people of ancient Ireland, he explained the concept of the Trinity by using a very common plant in Ireland: the shamrock, a member of the clover family with three small, green leaves on a single stem. One legend has it that Patrick in his travels happened upon some Irish chieftains in a meadow. The tribal leaders were puzzled about the doctrine of the Trinity, and so Patrick bent down and plucked a shamrock. The three leaves, said Patrick, are still one plant, just as the three Persons of the Trinity are one God. Another legend is similar, except that it has Patrick teaching in the province of Connaught, where he spoke to the daughters of King Laoghaire, Ethne and Fedelm. The shamrock analogy is perhaps better than the egg and apple analogies, although it shares the weakness of possibly dividing God into “parts.”
  4. Another common illustration of the Trinity involves the different states of matter (solid, liquid, and gas). The illustration typically uses water as the example: water exists as a solid (ice), a liquid, and a gas (water vapor). No matter what physical state water is in, it is still water. Its chemical composition remains the same—it is H20, no matter if it’s floating unseen in the atmosphere to create humidity, or floating in chunks in your tea to help relieve the humidity. The problem with this illustration is that liquid water, when it freezes, “switches” from liquid to solid, and, when it boils, it “switches” to vapor. However, God does not “switch” states or modes. Liquid water can become solid or gas, but God the Father never becomes the Son or the Spirit. The idea that God manifests Himself differently at different times and in various contexts (like water manifests itself variously as solid, liquid, or gas) is called modalism, and it is a heresy to be avoided. [Personally, I like the shamrock explanation the best!]

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While these analogies are not perfect, they are but a few ways for we finite beings to understand the Spiritual concept of the Trinitarian Doctrine. I hope this was as helpful to you as its research was to me. The Trinity is a very difficult to understand doctrine, let alone attempting to make sense of it all. But one must be willing to do the research and let the facts and information lead you where they must. But do so prayerfully!

May God Richly Bless You, My Beloved!

MK Murphy, PhD, DD

References:

Systematic Theology An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, by Wayne Grudem (1994)

Christian Apologetic Research Ministry (CARM.org) by Matt Slick

GotQuestions?org